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Thank you for this.  My middle child is applying and we’re not sure how it’s going to go.  She does have a detailed work up from vocational rehab stating that they think her autism is too severe for her to ever realistically work, as well as an evaluation when she was a minor of level 2 autism.  Would that help her case?

Dysteech

This is extremely helpful! Glad you took the time to write all of this. 

I just received my approval letter for mental health/peripheral neuropathy. 

My therapist wrote a detailed "biography" so to speak on my behalf using the SSA's blue book and how it affects me day to day. 

My neurologist also stated my mental health during her exams as well. Things like I was crying/having panic attacks during stressful and hard to talk about subjects (my hygiene indifference from the PTSD, or having difficulties wiping myself because of the PN). 

The best price of advice I could ever give is advocating for yourself. If your doctors aren't on Team "You". Drop them like a bad habit; they work for you! I made damn sure that they were specific on their notes and how things affected me.

MikeMacabre87

This is very helpful. My family member’s psychiatrist and therapist both refused to provide notes and would only fill out questionnaires (psychiatrist) and write a summary statement (therapist). Do you have any opinion on this? I’ve heard of a few posters on here mentioning that they’ve been burned by therapy notes due to the therapist mentioning things like: they took a vacation, they traveled 10 hours to visit family, they got a tattoo, etc. All of these tidbits were used against them in their hearing. This is why I’ve always thought a summary statement was better than visit notes (for mental health issues).

MickyKent

Thank you so much for sharing, this is very helpful. Just submitted my application today for bipolar disorder. I have a neurodiagnostic testing consultation scheduled and am getting back into therapy and medication management after a period with no health insurance (which I lost because I couldn’t work, because bipolar disorder... classic.) Hopefully I’m on the right track.

mandlet

Can people with a mental impairment return to school without jeopardizing SSD?

Weird_Rush_3328

What if your older (64) already on SSDI , how do you look at mental health issues on older adults as opposed to one’s in their 20 s and 30s ( if a CDR comes across your desk )

RepresentativeDry171

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Thank you so much for the wonderful information. I’m 32 and am on step 3 of reconsideration coming up on a year now. I have congenital heart defects and mental health issues that I am applying under. I included a 14 page psychiatric evaluation that I had done last February in my file. I see my therapist once per week, but I don’t see a psychiatrist and am not medicated. That is due to the majority of psych meds on the market affects my heart issues and can interact with the meds I already take, so my cardiologist is not comfortable giving the OK to be prescribed anything for my anxiety/depression/OCD/PTSD. I’m really hoping I have enough evidence for approval this time around and they don’t deny me due to not being medicated.

sooshkaboom

What if their application was for multiple reasons but the mental health was the one that SSI focused on?

Katerina_01

Thing is I feel ashamed going through this process. I have GAD, MDD, cPTSD, cInsomnia disorder all with VA. I have psychiatrist I see every 6 weeks, and 2 therapy groups weekly (Trauma Management Therapy, and Behavorial). I have not discussed pursuing it with my psychiatrist or either of the two therapists, as I wouldn't feel comfortable with them anymore from the guilt/shame. I'm 52 with 5 documented blast TBIs.

I already feel pretty much useless now, and mentioning this to my MH team would just make me feel more like an (choose your adjective). So, I don't have the individual letters from my psychiatrist, current/past therapist (5 in last 2 years).

  
I mean I know from the standpoint of a lawyer/advocate that I should include my MH team in this, but if I did, I feel my MH would take a downward trajectory as the guilt/shame of them knowing would override the treatment. I'd likely stop going as this reminder would make it all worse. At the moment for me, MH treatment is more important than the SSDI, while both are important. This confiding would likely end my treatment from my side.

apparat07

This is great information! Thank you for writing this and answering everyone’s questions!!!  Is there a chance of you writing about how to keep the disability (for all ages being I’m 54) for mental health issues when you’re being evaluated after the year time period, 3rd yr, and 7 yr.   I was approved beginning of this year for mental health but I’m sure it was “helpful” I was institutionalized and went through the PCP and IOP programs.  Although my psychiatrist wants me to go back to IOP I have not made that decision yet.  My ALJ judge said I should be evaluated in a year because I’m likely to get better.  My therapist, psychiatrist, or I don’t see that happening.  I have recorded depression and anxiety disorder in my records since I was a teen; not to mention the PTSD, OCD and bipolar/personality disorder that was diagnosed by a neuropsychologist.  Any enlightenment would be greatly appreciated! Thank you 😊

carolrem

I thought the ALJ will not hold lack of treatment against you when your condition causes the lack of treatment, EG, you don't seek therapy because it causes you too much anxiety to be in public spaces or to leave the house, or fears of contamination, etc, that you avoid doctors and hospitals. 

  
Another question I have is.... define "substancially gainfully employed" because on one hand, if you are working part time, wouldn't you be able to work "harder"? But if you are completely unemployed, how do you get medicaid so you can see therapists or psycologists? How do you seek treatment if you don't have money, income, resources or insurance? 

  
Seeing specialists is extremely expensive, as somebody with diabetes, neuropathy, depression and back problems, the problems on their own may not be an issue, but compounded they cause a lot of issues, such as you cant get treated for back pain because they require steroid injections, which cause blood glucose issues, you get more depressed because it stems from your diabetes and management of symptoms. How do you find a specialist and what if you cant afford one (speaking for SSI, not SSDI or those with premium healthcare/insurance)

QuestionNo9190

The ageism that’s acceptable is always directed towards young ppl. I could have the same injuries as someone older because since im younger i get looked at with a heavy eye or  im denied and the older person gets approved. This has to stop. The climate and conditions in america is atrocious especially for young ppl who dont come from a strong foundation or good generational wealth.

UnstableEnergies

Hi there, I’ve a question. Do assessments and things like evaluations hold much weight if they aren’t recent, say like in the past year?

Dramatic_Add75

Thank u so much for taking time out to write this!! Im 41 &amp; still being told my age is a concern. I also have struggled with suicidal thoughts in the past over all this as I hv been dealing with this for 4 years. I just got denied at my ALJ so im obviously appealing but I know thats def not normally approved then

Hot-Situation-8953

Now what about mental health with one of the major qualifiers. IE musculoskeletal diseases? Because I’ve been on this battle for years now. And now have a hearing. I was unable to get proper care for 2 and a half years because my insurance in TX sucked. And couldn’t get to appointments. And just the difference between my ADL from Nov 2022-Dec2024 there is a an obvious progression. I mean it shows between 2022-2023. But I still keep getting denied. I’m now getting the proper care thank god.

Ill-Influence-1400

Thank you for this! Even though my disability isn't mental health, I found this insight quite helpful.

Looking forward to your guidance on the physical claims.

KraKitty

justbreathing1

So my son is receiving benefits and literally just got approved a year ago and they are telling us that they need to do a review in a few days and I'm wondering why if he's permanently disabled and he can't live alone. Should I be worried and how should I get prepared in the meantime? 

Physical_Royal_8969

do you have any advice for diabetic neuropathy? for those who cant afford to see a neurologist or even an endo regularly? and how diabetic neuropathy can increase symptoms of depression, anxiety and ocd due to diabetic distress? 

  
what if you do telehealth and the psychologist does not want to give you notes after each session? also will the ALJ actually read through hundreds of pages of notes from a psychologist?

Thank you for sharing and taking valuable time out to help others. This resonated with me except I’m 30 years older. I have a ALJ hearing in less than a month MH is a major part of my claim, even though I wasn't in combat, but have other ailments that keep me from working as well.

rwilley71

Busy_Travel_7679

Thank you. I have my court date in September so I’m nervous. Started looking through notes in my hospitals app. Wondering how many notes I should bring and if there’s a right way to collect them as evidence.

purrpussypurr

Thank you for posting this. I have Medicaid, and my provider won't let me see a psychiatrist, only the advanced practice nurse, but I am at the hearing requesting stage, so I think it's too late to get a specialist. Should I try to get a psychiatrist or wait to see if they deny me?

Casual-Cookup

My husband just got his denial through an ALJ and this makes sense. He is a veteran so it is hard for him to admit his issues and how they work against him. For him to be vulnerable to anything he ends up in a terrible depression  that ends up in suicidal issues. It causes more issues than not. He has now started saying well if I can work at one place for 2 days then get another job and maybe last a few days I can just keep doing that over and over and we will be ok. These are the issues that many don't realize we go through. The daily struggle of reminding our spouses just how important they are to not only us but also the world, ends up being a crazy, hystically emotional situation that  can be helped if the SS system just realizing that the military messes them up from basic training on. Before the army my husband was so patient, non aggressive and not confrontational by any means. But now the smallest thing makes him super mad, he may calm down quickly but it still causes a lot of issues with both myself and our children.it sucks that we have to jump through hoops for "normal" people to see that someone has no way or by any availability to live normal life. I wish there was a way I could break it down for them, just so they could understand our day to day struggle. He feels a certain way toward himself because he cannot physically do the work he use to and now I am working to help support us. He doesn't realize that he is doing amazing things at home with our kids because he was taught (by the miltary) that he and he alone need to be the bread winner. It is a terrible thing to have being held over your head. His feet gonumb due to neuropathy same with his hands, he has pain all the time and it doesn't stop. He has many mental health issues too. Yet he has been denied again. This is more than frustrating and my heartbleeds for everyone going through this.

Morninglight30

Thank you for posting this!! Very informative.

Think-Lack2763

Well damn, I hope I don't get denied I can only afford to see a regular doctor 😭

Euphoric_Pin_5839

Thank you so much for this.  I got a 3 page extremely detailed letter from my pcp which fully supports my claim. My therapist and psychiatrist are saying they can only write letters with your diagnosis and medications . In addition to 4 major medical conditions,  i have severe depression , panic attacks, extreme sensory anxiety (ie loud talking,  babies crying,  someone clicking a pen i have insomnia and nightmares from PTSD , I was in the hospital for 4mths last summer. During the first month while I had 8 tubes,  oxygen to breathe and an emergency trachesotomy due to a ruptured esophagus i was sexually assaulted by two hospital worker's who were meant to be cleaning me. I won't go into great detail but it has changed me drastically,  socially , mentally,  mood, paranoia...and forget sex . I was denied and im currently in reconsideration and decided to team up with an attorney already. Its sometimes hard for me with all the paper and admin..I can't even focus on the TV more then 15 min. I couldn't talk but after they raped me I wrote the message on my dry erase board and showed my mom and brother in the room . Still can't belive how much life can change so much in just two years.  BTW my medical all suspected to be covid vaccine related.  I turn 51 next mth. Wish you all the best...im going to try to get my mental health doctors to reconsider writing a full assessment with progress notes.  I also have my second round of medical and mental consultive exams  next week . Wish all of you the best. Reading posts on here really help me out

Powerful_Box7762

I honestly think the reason I got approved was because my autism assessment and speech eval had reports from diverse, verified, standardized assessments showing severe executive functioning deficits , deficits in social communication, and the other functional impairments to back up my reports and the reports of my therapists. This was coupled with letters of support from the assessor, my therapists, and my psychiatrist as well as a FCE and reports from
OT/PT showing how autism and ADHD caused impairments in my PHYSICAL functioning. In other words my autism and physical health issues together precluded me from doing a job that I could have done had there only been one of these. They also included sleep apnea as a qualifying disabling diagnosis which I did not even list as a diagnosis on my report, but failed to include fibro which was WELL documented in my records. Even with all this I still have to do a CDR in 18 months.

Anna-Bee-1984

Great timing, my daughter (just turned 19 yrs old in June) depression and anxiety and etc.. We are in step 3 and just seen a CE EXAMINER for both physical and mental exams. She sees both therapy every week and psychiatrist one a month. Ever since, I'm been wondering what are our chances of being approved. What you have just posted clears up so much. It helps me on how my daughter's case is being evaluated. Thank you and I will save this, to return if I do have any questions 🙏🏾😊.

BIGJUICYCOOP

 Not being insensitive but these younger “adults” with these so-called mental health disorders should probably try getting off their phones and be part of the real world. Before I became disabled I was a substitute teacher and in a classroom almost everyday at the high school. These kids and young adults have been consumed by social media which in turn has made them who they are. These struggles can be overcome. I was once diagnosed with several mental health disorders and the meds they gave only made it all worse so I opted to deal with it on my own by reading my bible and praying everyday. Within two months I seen a drastic change in who I was and others noticed it as well. So, instead of these younger adults going to apply for SSDI, which will only make them lazier than they are, maybe they should try reading their bible and going to church. Leave the benefits for the ones with actual physical disabilities. 

ExpensiveYou4606

For rule number 4 I think it would be a good idea to add that you have to cite your sources if you are making some sort of claim. Not necessarily a full blown apa citation, but at least something so that we know where and what the claim is to help combat psuedoscience and the like.

KaladinarLighteyes

thank you for your effort, for real. pin it. i wish there was also a resource to a couple links for the ubiquitous "what can i do with a bachelor degree?" "should i get a masters or doctorate?" maybe it's beyond the scope of this sub.

pecan_bird

Bovoduch

That is a shame about the surveys, though I think the others are good. It's difficult enough for students to find participants. As someone quite a bit older than the average student (and old enough to have a university age child if I had had children), I have responded to a number of surveys I've seen in this sub which were not targeted specifically at young people.

However, a rule saying that the post must specify the target group would be a very good idea. Sometimes they are very specific (e.g. people under 30 resident in Germany and diagnosed with depression) and it's evident that a different sub would be better.

SignificantCricket

Framing your bigotry in religious terms doesn't make it not bigotry. LGBTQ+ people exist and trying to erase them from public life is discrimination. 

Vox_Causa

Public schools do not exist as substitutes for parents or as day care. They exist because an engaged and informed citizenry is in the public interest.

You don't get to shelter your children from the existence of LGBT+ people any more than you get to shelter them from math class.

aresef

Who should decide how to fix my car?  A mechanic...or a judge?

My computer is acting up, I better call my local judge to fix my PC problem.

I'm trying to bake the perfect cookie.  I know, my judge will have the best recipe!

mvw2

Imagine being a mom who has a child with down syndrome and fighting against inclusivity, tolerance and acceptance as this mom is.

VincentandTheo1981

The headline is bullshit.

It's one group of parents against another group of parents, and the school board is aligned with one group.

Judge is just calling the game.

BMal_Suj

gloe64

PrintOk8045

How about we just give parents and students the freedoms they want? Conservatives oughta be able to have kids opt out of LGBTQ books and curricula while liberals can opt out of saying the pledge of allegiance.

I get suspicious when anyone tries to force these things on young children.

LHam1969


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If you can’t openly discuss LGBTQ and sexualities to children so they know when they grow up that it’s okay to be different, then religion shouldn’t be in schools either

polar_bear_mecha

Parents scared of books. Pathetic


They want to opt their kids out of reading about people who aren't exactly like them. Just reading about other people might turn their kids g-g-gay! Oh The horror!


 The definition of snowflakes

AssociateGreat2350

If you don't like "*instruction that violates the families' religious beliefs*" then get the fuck out of public education, pay your tuition to the tax-dodging cults, and go to a religious school.

neazwaflcasd

I demand that schools provide alternate curriculums for parents who don't want their kids to learn about people who owned slaves.

Reviews-From-Me

It's now legal for parents to bisect the student body of public schools, over more or less any topic they dislike. Today it's LGBTQIA topics, tomorrow it'll be the Civil War — in some areas, that's already a school-wide reality.

zephyrtr

The ruling is really so Mich worse than just books. The logic can be applied to pretty much any topic taught in schools. It'll result in public schools being chipped away at.

SwimmingThroughHoney

I am so sick of single-brain-cell ass hypocritical Christian nationalist fucking heartless nazi idiot ignorant bitches too set on trying to satisfy that mental illness/complex in their nutrient-deficient brains instead of putting in the smallest amount of effort to even try to be decent person. Fuck them all with something barbed.

Okay I’m done I just had to get my feelings out. Anyway, this is an exceedingly stupid decision.

btviv

Teacher here. 

The government continues to throw up roadblocks to make our jobs more difficult. This is beyond absurd. Christofascist country.

Peachy33

Then people should sue over books containing information about heterosexual relationships. Use the same precedent. These fucking morons will find out fast, just like they did with the Bible.

ripChazmo

Ok, so now teachers have to send a list of every book they will read during the school year to parents and if the parent doesn't like a book, they say the kid can have quiet time alone. Huge pain in the ass and ultimately only hurts the child, but sure, whatever.

Wings81

someone in another thread suggested universities start making "OPT-OUTS" a barrier for entry. 

"I see on your transcript you opted out of the civil war in US History. Sorry, you can't come to Harvard, youll be too far behind"

"You didn't read 'The color purple' as part of your required reading list. Sorry, Ocala community college isn't for you"

uwill1der

Ok so dont read the books. I swear people are so up their own asses

picklehippy

If you wondered what you'd be doing in 1930s Germany, you're doing it. 

Blablablaballs

Fucking Supreme Court bigots. Freedom in America is a fucking scam.

peanutbutterperfume

Good luck getting Shakespeare out of curriculum guidelines…

There is so much gender swapping shenanigans to be acted out in spite.

enonmouse

This entire “parents’ rights” movement is absurd and stupid and fundamentally wrong.

Sometimes, whether willingly or accidentally, parents do things that harm their children.

One of the important roles of public school is to protect children from the harmful actions of their own parents. LET SCHOOLS DO THEIR JOB.

AbacusWizard

This cuts both ways. Parents can exempt their children from instruction involving Judeo-Christian teachings if it is against their religious beliefs.

Traditional-Win-3368

Here’s a link to the full opinion document if people want to read it!

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/23-477_2cp3.pdf

Judge_Trudy

Whatever one thinks, it’s a ruling that the public overwhelmingly agrees with. You’d never think so, if you spent all of your time on Reddit.

Think of the time and money that has been expended on this issue. I know this ruling won’t put it to bed, but perhaps it will allow us some room to focus on *THINGS THAT MATTER TO ALL OF US*.

InsufferableMollusk

Sanity retains a mild grip on our reality. 

Active_Potato6622

I mean, why are we letting children change their genders to begin with? That’s insane. 

Kids have fickle minds and they aren’t fully developed to make these life altering decisions.

LaDainianTomIinson

Even though they ruled on this because they are heavily conservative and anti- LGBT. 

The reality is that gender-affirming care is completely experimental and harmful. 

1. The gender is affirmed without question.

Does the psychiatrist even bother to rule out autism, ADHD, latent homosexuality, CSA, or the home environment?

It seems to me a lot of girls want to escape womanhood because many feel like they don't live up to expectations or don't want to deal with the pressure of feminine ideals. If they had media literacy most likely they would not have fallen to social media psyops. 

2. They cannot create opposite sex genitals correctly. 

They won't have a real vagina or penis. They are merely cosmetic and have more of a chance of getting infected. A lot of people become incontinent. 

3. Puberty blockers decrease bone density and halt important developmental milestones. 

So basically, putting your kid on puberty blockers will block the good shit that comes with puberty like reasoning skills and emotional stability.

Great idea to give an already emotionally unstable child puberty blockers. 

4. HRT can kill you if you don't balance out your hormones. 

Vaginal atrophy, autoimmune diseases, heart disease, are just a few side effects from hormones that don't belong in your body. 

5. They treat gender dysphoria with hormones and surgery, instead of ruling out other psychiatric conditions such as psychotic disorders, bipolar disorder, autism, ADHD, CPTSD...ETC.

These kids need intense therapy to deal with their insecurities and treatment for underlying causes of delusional thinking. Such as the fact that many kids are autistic. Which to me is a huge red flag of this being medical malpractice.

TheQueenNYC

sodabrab23

Let the Rorschach test commence...

This is either:

1. The most important ruling for the protection of children in decades; or
2. A ruling that will literally kill trans children.

As with most things in life, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.  Children should be protected, but a "one-size-fits-all" rule may leave some individual children worse off.

I would normally agree that some things should be solely up to the child, their parents, and their doctor, but the truth is that (a) children can make dumb decisions; (2) parents can make dumb decisions; (3) the trans community has made this a huge political issue and doctors do not operate in a vacuum - especially when it comes to wanting to protect their careers.

VTKillarney

This is great! Children should NOT be given any gender affirming care until they are adults.

NewAgePhilosophr

Yeah, as someone who grew up being friends with trans kids who are now trans adults, who've seen what they've been through, I can't forgive anyone for this. Hell, [after banning puberty blockers, the Republicans commissioned a report into whether their usage was safe for transgender minors, and just a month ago they received a 1000-page document confirming that yes, it WAS safe, and DID improve mental health - they just ignored it.](https://apnews.com/article/utah-republicans-transgender-health-care-youth-ba498f4b0a8f21905b0f563b85b8dbd6)

Trying to talk to anyone about this subject is pointless. Everyone thinks that this stuff is something any kid can walk into a store and get, or it's genital surgery, like it's not something that requires extensive therapy to get, that has guidelines, and is approved by pretty much every health institute for good reason.

WhatYouThinkYouSee

All the far left coming out of the wood work for this one, to convert Centrist to the far left. SMH.

dtor84

Hey, a 6-3 vote down ideological lines.  Shocking.

Educational_Impact93

King_Of_Gamesx

HiggzBrozon420

“Small government “ Republicans strike again!

Colorfulgreyy

This is weird since puberty blockers provide the very thing this bills supporters claim to want: they sidestep the issue of children consenting to major life-changing surgery until they are old enough to make an informed decision. It seems like only someone ignorant of the issues would ban both gender affirming surgery AND puberty blockers. 

Detson101

Great. Now my wife is going to complain about this for the rest of the week as if I took away everyone's pronouns myself.

getapuss

I'm fine with blocking surgery and permanent things.

The puberty blockers is more controversial to me.  If a biological male kid doesn't take puberty blockers before they hit puberty, they never look as convincingly like a woman from what I've seen.  Which can have a terrible and lasting impact on the rest of their lives cause they may never look female enough to blend in.  I don't think the data is there though on if the hormones cause permanent harm.

I myself would allow kids and parents to decide on the blockers myself but not on surgery.  I think a decision like this should not be left to the states but should be federal.

Hobobo2024

This thread going to have more comments than the thread about two democrats getting assassinated by the end of the day isn't it?

Ecstatic_Ad_3652

Over 1.4 million male circumcisions are performed annually in U.S. 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/240804903_Lost_Boys_An_Estimate_of_US_Circumcision-Related_Infant_Deaths

Baby boys can and do succumb as a result of having their foreskin removed.Circumcision-related mortality rates are not known with certainty; this study estimates the scale of this problem. This study finds that more than 100 neonatal circumcision-related deaths (9.01/100,000) occur annually in the United States, about 1.3% of male neonatal deaths from all causes. Because infant circumcision is elective, all of these deaths are avoidable. This study also identifies reasons why accurate data on these deaths are not available,some of the obstacles to preventing these deaths, and some solutions to over-come them.

This is an actual problem, having a kid get medical treatment isnt.

Turbulent-Raise4830

Quaker16

CUMT_

So basically, how I understand it, is that they're okay with banning it because transgender people aren't a protected class in their estimation which is why strict scrutiny didn't apply. 




For people who are cheering this on, rational basis would allow people to implement literacy tests for voting. It's the lowest level of legal scrutiny.

Pretty_Acadia_2805

&gt; Chief Justice Roberts wrote that the law does not violate the 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause, reasoning that **medical uncertainty justifies handing the issue back to state legislatures**

Sure, because state legislatures are definitely the best equipped to deal with "medical uncertainty".   /s for the daft

KarmicWhiplash

Schools cant even afford to give their kids free lunch and you got the republicans acting like schools are just handing out really expensive surgeries.

xJohnnyBloodx

Lol. That is such a horrible far-left take; fuck the 99.5% for the "issues" of 0.5% love your maths

btribble

Your post title made me think they ruled in favor of gender transition measures for minors. Yet the result was to not uphold federally and kick it back to the States

Optoplasm

I know that many peer reviewed journals say that gender-affirming care can improve mental disposition. It just still feels wrong to do that to kids.

ThanosSnapsSlimJims

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